Derisky Business

“Derisky Business” is a show that explores economic security issues within the broader national security and foreign policy landscape. Hosts Emily Kilcrease and Geoffrey Gertz dive into the weeds on issues like export controls, tariffs, and trade, linking these issues to broader debates on how to advance U.S. global economic leadership during times of geopolitical turbulence. Listen for new episodes bi-weekly, and check out other podcasts from the Center for a New American Security at cnas.org/connect/podcasts. This podcast is supported in part by Amazon and by general support to the CNAS Energy, Economics & Security Program.

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Episodes

Wednesday Jul 03, 2024

On June 26, CNAS hosted an event to discuss a new report, Disorderly Conduct: How U.S.-China Competition Upended the International Economic Order and What the United States Can Do to Fix It. Report authors shared key findings and recommendations on how to delineate a new economic strategic framework toward China that serves both the security and commercial interests of the United States. The conversation also featured Peter Harrell, Nonresident Scholar for the American Statecraft Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.  
Peter Harrell is a Nonresident Scholar for the American Statecraft Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.  
Emily Kilcrease is senior fellow and program director in the Energy, Economics, & Security Program at the CNAS. Her research focuses on economic statecraft and economic security.
Geoff Gertz is senior fellow in the Energy, Economics, & Security Team at the Center for a New American Security. His research focuses on technology competition, digital policy and data governance, and geoeconomics.
Adam Tong is associate fellow in the Energy, Economics, & Security Team at the Center for a New American Security. His research focuses on U.S. - China economic competition, China's economic statecraft, and sanction resilience.

Thursday Jun 27, 2024


This week, Under Secretary of Commerce Alan Estevez joins Derisky Business to talk tech competition with China, how Russia can still get western chips, and why our cars might all be spying on us.
 
Emily Kilcrease is senior fellow and program director in the Energy, Economics, & Security Program at the CNAS. Her research focuses on economic statecraft and economic security.
Geoff Gertz is senior fellow in the Energy, Economics, & Security Team at the Center for a New American Security. His research focuses on technology competition, digital policy and data governance, and geoeconomics.
Alan F. Estevez serves as the Under Secretary of Commerce for Industry and Security.  As Under Secretary, Mr. Estevez leads the Bureau of Industry and Security, which advances U.S. national security, foreign policy, and economic objectives by ensuring an effective export control and treaty compliance system and promoting U.S. strategic technology leadership.
Alan's Recommended Reading: Chip War: The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology by Chris Miller and No Winners in this Game by Emily Kilcrease.

Thursday Jun 13, 2024

On this special live-recorded episode from the 2024 CNAS National Security Conference, Emily Kilcrease talks with Daleep Singh, Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economics, about what to expect from the G7 leaders' summit, using frozen Russian assets to finance Ukraine's resistance, the role of sanctions in targeting China's material support to Russia, and China's broader geoeconomic ambitions.
Emily Kilcrease is Senior Fellow and Program Director in the Energy, Economics, & Security Program at CNAS. Her research focuses on economic statecraft and economic security.
Daleep Singh is Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economics at the White House.

Everyone Loves Tariffs!

Thursday May 30, 2024

Thursday May 30, 2024

Welcome to Derisky Business! On this episode, we discuss the Biden Administration’s recent tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, batteries, solar panels, and other goods. Diving into the arguments for and against tariffs, the episode explores the reasoning behind targeting these specific goods and the implications on domestic and international markets. Looking ahead, we analyze what new and old tariffs mean for the U.S.-China economic relationship at large, potential Chinese retaliation, the green transition, and a new geoeconomic status quo.
Emily Kilcrease is senior fellow and program director in the Energy, Economics, & Security Program at the CNAS. Her research focuses on economic statecraft and economic security.
Geoff Gertz is senior fellow in the Energy, Economics, & Security Team at the Center for a New American Security. His research focuses on technology competition, digital policy and data governance, and geoeconomics.
Adam Tong is associate fellow in the Energy, Economics, & Security Team at the Center for a New American Security. His research focuses on U.S. - China economic competition, China's economic statecraft, and sanction resilience.

Welcome to Derisky Business

Sunday May 26, 2024

Sunday May 26, 2024

This is Derisky Business, a new podcast from the Center for a New American Security that explores economic security issues within the broader national security and foreign policy. 
Hosts Emily Kilcrease, director of the energy, economics and security program at CNAS, and Geoff Gertz, senior fellow on the energy, economics and security team, will answer questions like:
Do sanctions against Russia work, and can the U.S. use economic pressure to deter conflict with China?
Through interviews with government officials, private sector leaders, and national security experts, Derisky Business will be your go-to source for understanding and assessing the policies for U.S. leadership in the global economy.
Get nerdy with us every other Thursday wherever you get your podcasts.
 

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